Forever isn`t forever? JGIG correction!
Posted under: People really hate finding out they have been so wrong for so long. Our pride takes a giant hit when it’s faced with admitting we are wrong. It really takes a humble heart to re-examine what we believe and seek truth no matter what the cost. For many of us, its cost us our friends and extended families as well as church families. But isn’t seeking after the Father’s ways worth it?
I and my Father are one.
John 10:30
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:23
How can they be one but yet have different words?
You see, when the Father commands that His words and instructions are forever, He actually means forever.
I like to debate with Wendy; I’m sure you would too. We go round and round all the time at SB. If you want, I will contact her and see if she will accept the challenge. She would like to remain anonymous, so you would have to figure out how to do that…maybe just her voice and no picture?
I doubt she will however since her antinomian agenda is so easily defeated.
Worth a try?
This is so true, we run a site in South America, the saddest part is that it is so obvious there are so many lies as far as days and malinterpretations go…. Thank YHWH for the position we are allowed to stand in today and have this veil removed from our eyes and see the truth and delite there is in Torah!… Keep up the good work AJ.. Shalom Ubrajot
Well, like you’ve posted before “the many deceive many”.
Hello, I checked the vid out and have some issue with it. Here are my issues: 1. You flash the definition of the Hebrew word “olam” from the Strong’s on the screen but you ONLY emphasizes FOREVER? This is curious consdering the fact that olam is EQUALLY (ny) defined as a time word. It’s right there. 2. You then make an astounding statement at 6:40 when you says that “olam” without “ad” “ABSOLUTELY” means forever. This is really shocking to me for 3 reasons. 1. If that is true Jonah NEVER got outta the fish. Jonah 2:6 says, “I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. ” There is no “ad” there! 2. Servants will serve their earthly master in heaven forever. Ex. 21:6 says, “Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. ” No “ad” there. 3. Marriage and pregnancy will continue forever. Ex. 12:17 says, “And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ”
Notice, Olam is limited to “throughout your generations”. Once we are with Christ this will cease! There will be no more generations! It is my opinion that these “generations” ended with the New Covenant. Take the last verse or leave it the first two verses are reason enough in my mind to clearly show that Olam doens’t mean forever.
1. Jonah is a perfect example of the life and freedom the Messiah gives us when we repent and call out to him in our “corruption”. IF WE DON’T, we are doomed to the cage Jonah describes in that verse, FOREVER. That means without end. It has nothing to do with him being under the water.
2. Yes, servants were to serve their masters FOREVER just as we are to serve our King forever.
3. I have no idea what you are talking about in number 3. It doesn’t mention marriage and pregnancy at all. In fact it states that we are to keep the feast of Passover/Unleavened Bread Forever….which is my point.
The covenant we have with the Father puts HIS laws on our hearts as we walk after the spirit and not the ways of the flesh. Yes you are correct…that is your opinion. I don’t see that in scripture that the generations have ended with Christ.
I appreciate the effort to show the other uses of “loam” and will use that information with some of my crowd to see what it does to effect the discussion.
However, how do you go from such a logical and valid approach to that word and then turn around and simply state, “Once we are with Christ this will cease!”
My friend THAT is an ENORMOUS concept requiring a whole lot more support than ” It is my opinion these “generation ended with the new covenant ”
My goodness, you were doing wonderful till you tried to slide THAT one thru.
So… for the record…
1) Your comments on olam – seem to have some validity; they are much appreciated and will be further explored
2) Your “opinion’ regarding the ending of generations – tossed out on it supported rear end pending actual Scriptural support.
Here’s the anti-Torah sentiment that is being passed off as ‘truth’:
“Go back to Matthew 5:18 and see where Jesus said, “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” Here He said that the law would not pass away until what? Until two other things passed away. What were they? First, “Till heaven and earth pass;” and, secondly, “till all (the law) be fulfilled.” We know the law was fulfilled in Christ, and all prophecies relating to Israel fulfilled by 70 A.D. We all realize that because of this all the law was now over. But how could this be, when “heaven and earth” had not passed away, for Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law”? Maybe we can understand this better if we realize He was not talking about the literal heaven and earth, but something else. Something else would have to pass away before it could be said that the law was not still in effect.
In the New Testament especially, the destruction of heaven and earth refers not to the physical universe, but rather it relates to the final passing of the disobedient nation of Israel. All would be fulfilled, every jot and tittle, when heaven and earth passed away. (Matt. 5:18).”
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/heavenandearth.htm
People who write this garbage need to get on their face and repent for the Lashon Hara (evil speech) they’re disseminating. To hold the Oracles and people of God in such contempt is abominable. It’s anti-semitism at its worst. It’s neo-nazi at the core and its root is in HaSatan himself. I am a card carrying member grafted-in to the House of Jacob and proud of it!
We are to keep Christ’s words because He kept his Father’s John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Notice here Jesus says MY commands and goes on to say as HE has kept His Father’s.
He was perfect in the flesh who can claim such perfection? No one. Are we God in the flesh? Nope God shares His glory with no one.
Btw the Father gave Jesus the words (the Law of Christ) to command us to obey. We obey his words in the spirit when we are dead to the flesh acknowledging we fall short and failed at keeping the law in the flesh yet trusting in Christ’s redemption being born again to live after the spirit. Jesus obeyed His Father’s in the flesh because He was perfect. Can anyone tame their sinful nature to keep the law of Moses? Scriptures states you can’t 1 John 1:8-10 (Sin is transgressing the law) Hence why we are made righteous in Christ and not in ourselves. Now many will say but that gives you a license to sin! Nope because if we don’t keep Jesus’ words (the Law of Christ) to love one another sacrificially in the spirit we are not of Christ nor of the Father’s. But what about the sabbath? The true intents of the sabbath are in the spirit and thus why its eternal. Can you seriously think that we are going to rest eternally only one day of the week when eternity has no time? No, because the truth is we now rest daily in Christ in the spirit and preaching the Gospel to reach others who are tired and lost in their sins that they may enter the rest God intended and oh how glorious is that rest! Matthew 11:28-30 Isaiah 11:10
Whatever Daniel. Please show me in scripture just where the Laws of Christ are listed? Every command He gave is first given in the Torah. You will find nothing new.
John 13:34-35
34 A NEW commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
ah here we have Christ giving us a new commandment the Law of Christ! You might say that isn’t new (despite Jesus saying it is) because the Law of Moses states “love your neighbor as yourself” but compare what Jesus said to the Law of Moses. He states love others AS HE LOVED THEM meaning sacrificially which would require death to our flesh (our selfishness, pride etc.)
It was not new. I can give you three places in the Torah where is says to love your neighbor and the stranger (foreigner). He was simply giving a NEW teaching to his disciples and we have people in mainstream churches today think this is some NEW idea given by Jesus. Wrong. Also, it was NOT the law of Moses. It was the Law of God. God’s words…not Moses. Moses simply gave them to the people. You are saying God is different from Jesus or Jesus has changed what God said.
It is possible to love one another and keep his Law. We can’t keep it perfectly so WE DON’T KEEP THE LAW FOR SALVATION. We fail at the law. When we fail, its called sin. Jesus/Yeshua came to free us from the punishment we deserve because of that sin. He freed us from the punishment we deserve for not following the Father’s instructions….not to get rid of the instructions.
Some have the ears to hear and others do not.
“Depart from me, you who work LAWLESSNESS.”
You said “It is possible to love one another and keep his Law. We can’t keep it perfectly so WE DON’T KEEP THE LAW FOR SALVATION. We fail at the law.”
Non sequitir right there… and more importantly there’s no such thing as partial obedience. In fact this is the same as lawlessness.
“You are saying God is different from Jesus or Jesus has changed what God said”
Yet you’re insisting Jesus didn’t meant to say new commandment but new doctrine. Law of Christ is crystal clear especially since Paul confirmed it in Galatians 6:2
The word ‘new’ as in New Covenant or new commandment can Hebraically be likened to plants and trees that get new buds each year. It’s the same tree or plant just regenerated.
Malachi 3:6 For I am YHWH, and I change sometimes, I didnt ~really~ mean what I said.
O wait!!!!!! No. It says For I am YHWH, and I change NOT!! He.Does.Not.Change.
When he speaks… and gives a rule, law, commandment, statute, precept, it is done. Finito, thats it.
Theres no study no research no confusion, when Abba speaks, we follow.
Non sequitir…are you kidding? Nothing about that was a leap, it was plain and understandable. And yes by our very human nature we will be partially obedient as long as we have flesh on our bone. This is how it will be, and thanks to Jesus/Yeshua, we can repent and be forgiven as we fail. It makes all perfect sense.
Psalms 19:7-9 For the LAW of The Lord is perfect, converting the soul. The testimony of The Lord is pure, making wise the simple. The statutes of The Lord are right, rejoicing the heart. The commandment of The Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of The Lord is clean, enduring forever. The judgements of The Lord are true and righteous altogether.
^ There you have it, law, testimony, statutes, and commandments all used in the same thought line. So feel free to try to disect this verse, and give us a play by play . Ps. Please dont take these comments as attacks, they are in love, but these things !have! to be analyzed ^
The main point is that many accuse born again Christians and some go even as far as accusing Paul of doing away with the Law when in reality it’s not the Law that is abolished its the old man in the flesh to whom the Law applies that is dead.
How can some one worship in spirit and truth yet be alive to the letter of the law in the flesh (sinful nature)? Romans 7 states this spiritual adultery… You can’t be alive in the flesh and state you are in the truth in the spirit. If the the new covenant states the law is now written in our hearts then that means that we should understand the true intention behind the letter. The true intents are in the spirit. In order to walk in the spirit one must first acknowledge they have sinned against the letter of the law thus resulting in death because the wages of sin is death. No one can say they haven’t sinned because 1 John 1:8-10 states those who state they don’t are liars and therefore have no room in their hearts for the truth. We know that sin is trangression against the law so when we read 1 John 1:8-10 we see that no one can keep the law.
BUT if we trust in Christ we are united in His death and His resurrection and are imputed His righteousness. Now if we trust in Christ and are united in His death and resurrection we are born again regenerated in the spirit to see the kingdom of God which is in His Word. Thus we see for instance that the sabbath rest is eternal because we rest daily in Christ. This truth is of the spirit but the letter will keep pointing you to the physical rest. Anyone who focuses on the letter of the law when the new covenant states its in our hearts (through Christ) is in the flesh and will be dominated by it since they will always stumble at one and thus break them all.
This is why Paul states who would deliver him from his wretched body thanks be to the Lord Jesus. He can delight in God’s Law after the inward man which is in the spirit meaning his flesh is dead which means that he is united in Christ death as a result of acknowledging that he has sinned against the law and was in need of a redeemer. We are to die daily carrying our cross and guess what? The true intents of the commandments are revealed because when we shine for Christ (walking in the spirit and love of Christ) we are pointing people to the one true God, we are not placing idols in front of God because we have crucified self and its passions, we are not taking the Lord’s name in vain because we are proclaiming it through the Gospel by acts of love and action, we are not breaking His Sabbath or defiling it because we are reaching to those who are lost in need of rest and forgiveness, we are honoring our parents in love, we are not murdering anyone with our thoughts since we walking in love, we are not stealing, we are not bearing false witness but the truth and we are not coveting anybody’s possession because those who are won over for Christ are our joy, glory and crown in the presence of Jesus Christ!!! HalleluYah
In order to be at the same page you have to stop trying reinterpret what Paul is saying because He’s quite clear in His epistles once you diligently compare what He is saying especially in Galatians and Romans. Everything goes together perfectly without compromising anything thus evidence that He was inspired by God.
The Law of Moses (the letter) applies to the old man to which should be dead to sin and the new man serves after the newness of spirit (Romans 7:6) When one abides in Christ they put on this new man which serves God in Spirit and in Truth. If one is walking in the spirit and living after the spirit they will not gratify the flesh and its passions which is the old man that is condemned by the letter of the law. Do we stumble at times yes sometimes glimpses of our old man shows its ugly head for example: pride, our tongue lashes out something it shouldn’t have, adulterous thoughts, strife and contention with others etc. Now to worship in spirit and in truth means that we cannot serve God after the flesh because since the flesh is subject to the letter of the law and falls short it can never please God as Paul states in Romans 8. The flesh will always seek to glorify self and this is it’s very nature. Despite the flesh (the old man) sinning against the law in pride it states I have not sinned or in pride it points to partial obedience as being obedient when partial obedience is the same as disobedience. To worship in truth is to acknowledge we have sinned against the letter and since we have trusted in Christ we are made a new creation now this is the new man that always seeks to Glorify Christ. It will never point to self-righteousness but to Christ and His finish work. Now the new man begins to sees the Word of God in it’s true form sort of speak which is in the spirit. The Scriptures are then opened up to the new man (1 Corinthians 2) and the deep things of God are revealed like the Law of Christ and how the Law of Moses has a richer meaning other than it’s literal meaning. Thus why Nicodemus could not understand how Jesus’ speaking spiritual words was stating we are to be born again when Nicodemus only understood this in a literal way. Hope this helps for the glory of God.
Moreover, there’s a big difference between the Law of Christ and the Law of Moses one applying to those alive and united in the spirit with Christ and the others to those in the flesh to which the letter of the Law of Moses applies. Thank God in Christ I am dead to the old man that was subject to the letter of the Law of Moses and now I am alive to the Law of Christ which imparts life I can love as Christ loved me which is in the spirit a sacrificial love that cannot be accomplished in the flesh but now I am crucified with Christ to love as He loves.
For the love of the Spirit (Romans 15:30) test what I am saying by searching the Scriptures.
I’m with ya bro! They just don’t get it.
Daniel and his type, with their standard routine, are really getting old. They have started to sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher – blah blahblah blah blah! Their argument is not with us – it’s with the Father. They want to live in DISOBEDIENCE and no one better get in their way.
When I was young, I tried the “Christ obeyed the commandments, so that I would not have to” schtick when I was given a curfew by my parents. Dad and mom didn’t share my thoughts on the 5th commandment. Now that I’m married, I’m sure my wife would disagree that the 10th commandment does not exist and the neighbour’s wife is up for grabs. And yes the pool boy is off limits as well.
Seriously these people are unbelievable.
What is Daniel’s definition of sin? Hint, hint, hint – look at 1 John 3:4.
Hey Daniel, if the Torah is gone, how is God going to judge the world? The “law of Christ”? So Jesus ditched the Father’s commands and started his own? And now it’s something new – Micah would disagree. And Isaiah 2 – “at the end times, Torah will go out from Zion” So Torah – Law of Christ – Torah. Wow, keeping up with you guys is hard. And I don’t know about a god that keeps changing his mind – maybe he’ll change it again.
Daniel – let’s make it simple. God said it – JUST DO IT. And when you do, you show your love for Him – 1 John 5:2-3. Otherwise, “Someone who doesn’t love me doesn’t keep my words — and the word you are hearing is not my own but that of the Father who sent me.” John 14:24 – so much for that “law of Christ” thing.
Thank you Norm.
Norm said “Hey Daniel, if the Torah is gone, how is God going to judge the world?”
When did I ever say the Torah is gone? That shows me you haven’t read what I stated above and that according to the Scriptures. Instead of blindly believing something that logically makes sense to your natural man (btw that natural man will blindly lead you into a pit if you refuse to crucify it in Christ) how about crucifying that man that uses his logic/reasoning to try to make sense of the Word of God which is spirit? Why not cry out for understanding according to Proverbs 2 and Daniel 10:12 and search the Scriptures for yourself. The man after the flesh that serves the law of sin (Romans 7:25) should be dead in Christ, it is the the man after the flesh to which the Torah applies that should be gone/dead. The Torah is going to judge all those who walk after the flesh for no flesh shall be justified before God. Now read 1 Timothy 1:9-10 Are you born again? If not, then how are can you partake in the divine nature and the wedding if you’re not dressed in the new man after Christ in the spirit? Now instead of skimming my comments reread them and study to show thyself approved. In the love of Christ.
Hey Daniel: Spoken by the guy who doesn’t respond to the scriptures given him when they contradict his man-made beliefs. Daniel, maybe you can enlighten me on Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-4, and Zechariah 8:20-23 (but I;m not holding my breath) – cause Torah isn’t going away – but the man-made doctrines are.
And your favourite guy to quote, Paul (I notice you don’t quote the Messiah much) – said:
Acts 23:6
…”My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee.
Philippians 3:5
circumcised on the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews, concerning the Torah, a Pharisee;
And James and Peter said to Paul:
Acts 21:24
Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly and are living in obedience to the Torah.
Huh! Who would have thought…guess James, Peter, and Paul could use some schooling from you.
Daniel in one breath you say Jesus is God and with another say Jesus changed God’s law – what it is Daniel. So He argues with himself? Or did they do rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock and Jesus won? What if they have a rematch and God wins? Or Jesus changes His mind again?
If God is one (and He is), then God when He told Micah, He doesn’t change – lied – and when He said He was one in Deuteronomy – He lied – because you say He’s changed. Or maybe your theology doesn’t hold up because it is man-made and God is one and does not change.
I’ll go with the latter.
John 4:23
But the time is coming — indeed, it’s here now — when the true worshippers will worship the Father spiritually and truly, for these are the kind of people the Father wants worshipping him.
Luke 4:8
Yeshua answered him, “The Tanakh says, `Worship Yehovah your God and serve him only.
How do you worship the Father by refusing, like a toddler, to obey his commands? How is that walking in the Spirit? The Spirit tells you to violate God’s Word – I’d be asking for his ID before I took any more of that advice.
“Yehovah was pleased, for his righteousness’ sake, to make the Torah great and glorious.” (Is 42:21)
Please give me 1 verse where Yeshua says not to follow the Torah – just 1. Is it in Matthew 5?
We are told to imitate the Messiah. All you can give are verses from Paul, which are not talking about Torah, but either the Rabbinical Halacha of the day, the rulings of the governing Sadducees, the arguments of the house of Shammai vs the house of Hillel. Otherwise Paul would be all over the place, just like you. Torah good – no Torah bad – no Torah good.
In fact when Yeshua was asked to sum up the Torah, he expounded on Rabbi Hillel’s teaching below. Don’t you think that would have been a great opportunity for him to say’ “don’t follow it”?
Once there was a gentile who came before Shammai, and said to him: “Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot. Shammai pushed him aside with the measuring stick he was holding. The same fellow came before Hillel, and Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it.”
Norm, reread yet again what I posted. I also suggest you thoroughly study Jeremiah 31, John 3, 2 Corinthians 3-5, Romans 6-8 along with Galatians 2:20 in fact the entire book, Colossians 2-3, Ephesians 2. It seems you don’t understand two critical things the man after the flesh and the new man after the spirit that is united with Christ. One nature corresponds to the old covenant which is the flesh and the new covenant to those regenerated after the spirit; the letter of the law and the law written in our hearts.ONE CANNOT TRANGRESS THE LETTER IF THEY ARE UNITED WITH CHRIST IN THE SPIRIT THAT IS MEANING IN THE LAW OF CHRIST WHICH IS WALKING IN LOVE. GRANTED, WE STILL HAVE TO CARRY OUR CROSS TO COUNT OURSELVES DEAD TO SIN EVERYDAY. Understand that the true nature of God’s Word is spirit and life not written in stone tablets or paper like the Bibles we have today it’s spirit. SO that means everything God has been saying from the very beginning has a veil covering this truth till Christ came. Now again re-read what I stated above which does not compromise anything in Scripture. Never once said the Law is done. God Bless, in the love of Christ
If you wanna throw out Paul or dismiss what He wrote realize that you are adding or subtracting to the Word of God.
Daniel,
1. Do you observe ChristMass and Easter? If “yes”, then you have added to God’s word.
By the way, have you ever heard of Charles Haddon Spurgeon? I’m almost positive you have. Here is what he had to say about ChristMass: “Those who follow the custom of observing Christmas, follow not the Bible, but pagan ceremonies.” God never commanded us to celebrate pagan ceremonies, so once again, if you DO observe them, that’s adding, my friend. Not only that, it makes Him very angry as outlined in Exodus 32. Incidentally, notice that Aaron proclaimed THAT particular added feast day as being done unto the LORD.)
2. Do you observe the Biblical Sabbath (on the seventh day), or do you observe it on the first day? If you do not observe it on the seventh day, but instead on the first, then you have subtracted from AND added to God’s word.
3. Do you observe the appointed times (or “feasts”) of Leviticus 23? If “no”, then you have subtracted from the word.
4. Do you observe a host of other “holy” days (at your church) which were nowhere commanded by God for His disciples to keep, (but usually have their origins in idolatrous pagan ceremonies and customs)? If “yes”, then you have added to His word.
I could go on and on, but I’m sure you get the point. While I cannot guarantee it, I do not believe for a second that anybody here is throwing out Paul’s letters, for they would be wrong to do so. But nobody here is believing for 1,000th of a second that Paul…
2. …could have changed what was written by the very finger (Spirit) of God,
3. …would’ve ever DARED to speak/teach in opposition to the ONLY Bible (OT) he had from which he learned and taught.
And if anybody here DID believe for any length of time that Paul truly taught and preached AGAINST the only word of God every first century believer knew, they would NOT hold to Paul’s words OVER the Father’s, PERIOD. The fact is, Paul was a Jew (of the tribe of Benjamin), a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee, and he knew the Torah backwards and forwards. He found out the hard way, by the loving hand of Yahshua (“Jesus”) Himself, that he needed to chuck the oral torah/traditions that had been added to the written Torah of Yahweh, for they were (and still are) a stench in His nostrils.
Please wake up and “come out of her”. I assure you, friend, when you see the things we are seeing you will jump for joy and wonder how you could’ve missed it all those years. All of a sudden it will be like looking at the world through colored lenses after watching it through a sooty, smog-covered window. I hope you will see it soon, I really and truly do. Until that time you’re only dangling your feet in a murky baby pool, soiled by a bunch soda-hydrated toddlers, while sitting on a tar-covered roof in the worst neighborhood in the world in mid summer, when you could be swimming in a blue lagoon in the clearest, bluest water you’ve ever seen in the spring time. It sure is beautiful in here. Come on in!
Shalom,
Vic
my goodness Daniel – in Jeremiah 31, what tribe are you – Israel or Judah? They are the ones mentioned in the RENEWED covenant – the one where TORAH is written in their HEARTS. What Bible version do you read?
I don’t throw out Paul – I actually seek to understand the Rabbi he was and in the contect that he taught – not the wanna-be Torah-breaker you wish he was.
I’ll make this real simple, my friend.
How do you show the people closest to you that you love or care for them? By actions or plain words? We happen to believe 1 John 5:2-3. And again, not a quote from the MESSIAH…interesting and telling.
Yeshua said you couldn’t be new wine in an old wine skin – so Daniel. we are through here. No matter what scripture you are given, you hold to your traditions of men. You twist Paul’s words – Peter warned us of torah’less people who would do that in 2 Peter 3:16-17.
Is it any wonder that the “church” looks like the world – if this is what you present as the Gospel – come to a never-changing god, who by the way, changed – great selling feature!
And nice job on the covenant bit – which man gave you that info? It sure is not in the Bible – there is only 1 convenant and it is renewed in our hearts. But you don’t like that because it means growing up and obeying the Father. In this case, it’s Daniel knows best – not Father.
Wow – what a work of art.
Knowing firsthand what Daniel is experiencing I can tell you that it is hard when someone challenges your preconceived notions. You are doing a fine job at trying to show him the Way, Norm but no matter what I think we should have some compassion for Daniel because I think we all have been in that place at one time or another. Let’s just pray that the Ruach haKodesh does its job and allows him to see the beauty of Torah!
In Mashyiach Y’shua’s Name
Malcolm
Norm, it seems you don’t take anything into context. Your natural man sees everything in the literal giving evidence that your new man has yet to be awaken or made alive. You cannot see the Kingdom of God John 3:3 until you are BORN AGAIN. As for 1 John 5:2-3 it should be in context with 1 John 3:23.
1 John 3:23 being that it’s the same John should be also compared to John 13:34-35 and John 15:10, 12. The Law of Christ which isn’t some strange doctrine it’s biblical if you compare Jesus’ love to the Law of Moses you will see that Jesus’ love is a sacrificial love one that requires death to self (the flesh) thus why it fulfills the Law in the letter. But of course I stated that above and yet you probably didn’t even read it.
As for the wineskin parable it’s funny because that parable along with John 2 points to the new covenant which is spirit and after the new man created in Christ Jesus. You said you’re through yet I am glad Jesus said He was finished over 2,000 years ago giving me peace with God by faith and revealing me the deep things of God after the Spirit nourishing my new man. I see you don’t understand what being in the spirit means. To be in the spirit is to be in the new man regenerated through Christ. This new man is united with Christ in the spirit but while on earth is still encased in a fleshly body that is afflicted by a sinful nature. We are commanded by Christ to carry our cross that our old man may be continued to be counted dead to sin and He may live or shine through us Galatians 2:20. You claim I disregard the Torah when I no longer live it is Christ that lives in me. Clearly you are actually fighting against God which has desired to dwell in a temple not made by human hands. Why are you ignoring the pricks and kicking against the goads?
Worthy is the Lamb of God to Him be Honor, Glory and Praise forever and ever.
Daniel, you’re not going to post “books” on my comments. If you can’t make your own argument and have to copy and paste someone else’s, than this is not the place for you to post.
You fail to realize that the NEW covenant as Hebrews and Jeremiah call it, is the LAW of God (Torah) being written on our hearts. You also fail to realize that Jesus IS the TORAH. He was that Word made flesh that we invite (WRITE) on our hearts.
Continue to live your lawless lifestyle according to your church doctrine and misunderstanding of Paul (2 Peter 3:16). You have nothing further to offer on this site. You have made your argument as it has been found wanting.